News on Deals for Season Three!

[cko]

Here's what Nick tweeted at 21:33 last night, let's see that's errr....9:30 pm Pacific Time?

TheNickC: bit.ly/raTrt REAPER dead instead of a new post, I edited the last one. New stories up tomorrow.

[lwokszonew]

Another person you might want to contact about support. Michael Ian Black, who plays the demon Steve. He is a recurring character who you'd think would be returning for more episodes in a proposed third season so it couldn't hurt.

I also agree 100% about folks contacting Bret.

www.facebook.com/pages/Michael-Ian-Black/31420584037

[Blue Sunflower]

Okay, first things first.

1. Here's the list of actors, producers, directors, and writers:

reaper-cw.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Actors

reaper-cw.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Producers

reaper-cw.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Directors

reaper-cw.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Writers

2. Now who do we choose? Any ideas? At the very, very minimal we need Bret, Missy, Jenny, Rick, and Ray. I would also add Tom Spezialy and uh...I really don't know. I've never been into the "production" side of things.

ETA: Michael Ian Black.

Plus, Nick's latest comment:

Nick C // June 7, 2009 at 12:44 pm

This is absurd. “intentions to leave the show,” and “It just doesn’t make any sense,” are pointless.

You find out your company is shutting down your division but there is a slight chance that your division may be sold to another company. You have a contract that doesn’t allow you to seek work in the same field as long as your company is in business in that field.

What would you do? Sit around and pray that your slight chance became a reality? No. You’d walk into your boss’ office and demand a release from the non-compete clause in your contract. Which your company would likely let you do.

It makes total sense. There were jobs available that he couldn’t even go after if he stayed around praying that lightning would strike someone who had just been bitten by a shark while drowning in a wading pool.

Because the chances have always been incredibly slim.

Getting upset at someone for wanting a job is stupid.

I'm not going to touch this. Now is not the time. We have work to do.

[kagari]

The show without Bret wouldn't be worth watching. He's what made the show for me... I wish he updated his official site more often.

[aktarian]

Jun 7, 2009 13:31:51 GMT -5 Blue Sunflower said:

Jun 7, 2009 13:23:37 GMT -5 @atromiti said:

EDIT: Um, another thing. Do we even know how reliable Nick C.'s information is? I'm not accusing him of being a phony or anything - I really, really appreciate everything he's doing for us - but the constant contradicting information is giving me whiplash and making me wonder if his sources aren't as accurate as we'd like. I think we should take anything he prints with a grain of salt. Again, not trying to insult Nick. Just the way the biz is.

My opinion is this: Since the beginning, Nick has given us nothing but excellent advice. So whether his information is right or wrong, I still think we should encompass it into our strategy, just in case.

I'm not putting Nick down but I wonder about how reliable his info is. he thing that stands out most is how Jenny was first very optimistic (even when SciFi slot was still in) and then few days later things went downhill and that cast and crew were told it's over. Of course the problem could be Jenny and her tweets that either gave deliberatly wrong info (for some reason I can't quite understand), misinterpreted things, were given false info from creators or Jenny is not real Jenny Wade at all.

I don't know, there seems to be a lot of things coming from cast themselves that contradict their own statements (changes happening within a few days) and what studios and such are saying. As I said, cast could be lying to us, cast could have been told wrong things or people saying they are cast are not really cast but some fakers close to the team so they get general impression of what is going on and have enough info to be able to pass as cast. As to why they would lie I don't know.

Very confusing me thinks and hard to see what is really going on.

[lwokszonew]

Jun 7, 2009 13:50:10 GMT -5 Blue Sunflower said:

2. Now who do we choose? Any ideas? At the very, very minimal we need Bret, Missy, Jenny, Rick, and Ray. I would also add Tom Spezialy and uh...I really don't know. I've never been into the "production" side of things.

I'd say any and all that can be gotten a hold of some way. Ray Wise might be harder, not seen a site for him yet. But Missy, Bret and Jenny seem to be the easiest since they have sites, etc. The one nice thing about Ray though is, he's been in the industry a little longer, and even if he doesn't have pull with people, he might know how things work better and be able to offer some insight.

[Blue Sunflower]

Jun 7, 2009 13:55:44 GMT -5 aktarian said:

...the thing that stands out most is how Jenny was first very optimistic (even when SciFi slot was still in) and then few days later things went downhill and that cast and crew were told it's over. Of course the problem could be Jenny and her tweets that either gave deliberatly wrong info (for some reason I can't quite understand), misinterpreted things, were given false info from creators or Jenny is not real Jenny Wade at all.

I am aware of this issue, among many others. The *one* thing I can tell you is that I am positive @jenny_wade *is* Jenny Wade. @mperegrym has twittered her, and @mperegrym is beyond a doubt Missy Peregrym. She was given that account on air by Attack of the Shows.

I am still unsure about @bretharrison, despite @jenny_wade calling the account fake. One, @bretharrison's twitters are...well let's just say they can be corrolated to Tyler's info (no I'm not suggesting Tyler's the bretharrison twitter account, just that certain things back each other up), and second, Bret IMO seems not to be too close with the rest of the class. It's possible he may not have Jenny's cell number, let alone her twitter account.

So in the end, the ONLY reliable cast info we can get so far is either from @jenny_wade, @mperegrym, or Tyler's Facebook. So Jenny's twitters on Tuesday and Tyler's Facebook entry the week before that are what we have. And yes, they *are* very contradictory - since Tyler says he and Bret gave up on the 26th, and Jenny got the excited news about *something* on June 2nd.

Now, that's not to say that Jenny's news didn't devolve into a nightmare later. My point, however, is that it was initially packaged as GOOD news.

[Kwyjibo]

I'm done with Nick. I don't trust him anymore.

[chip]

Jun 7, 2009 14:06:42 GMT -5 Kwyjibo said:

I'm done with Nick. I don't trust him anymore.

Let's not condemn Nick. He's done a lot to help us. We may not have liked what he said, but it isn't his fault the information he got wasn't what we wanted to hear. He wasn't playing a game with Reaper fans and laughing behind his computer about how he got our hopes up. He worked hard to get the info we needed to try to save the show. And he deserves our thanks.

[nickc]

Jun 7, 2009 13:23:37 GMT -5 @atromiti said:

*nods* Me too, but right now it's just a theory, and I really want some official confirmation before I do anything else. I know official confirmation is hard to get with these folks, but I'm going to try.

EDIT: Um, another thing. Do we even know how accurate Nick C.'s information is? I'm not accusing him of being a phony or anything - I really, really appreciate everything he's doing for us - but the constant contradicting information is giving me whiplash and making me wonder if his sources aren't as reliable as we'd like. I think we should take anything he prints with a grain of salt. Again, not trying to insult Nick. Just the way the biz is.

Where did we get the good information? Affiliates and Cast/Crew. Affiliates were telling people the show wasn't being offered because cable was getting it.

That wasn't true. Did I make it up? NO. In fact this site had information along those lines up long before I did. All I did was take that information, call my local Director of Programming to verify (did, and yes I know this person well) and then emailed some media groups (tribune, etc), cast, crew, and producers to get a response. A cast member and a crew member responded with one saying "SCI-FI," and I passed it all along.

Then I took what I had and tried to verify with the Network. I finally was told "NO," and I even went and got a member of the media to confirm the "NO." They did, but then they said they heard it wasn't dead. The next day the crew member posted on my site that the show was dead. I finally got confirmation from a Producer that it was dead. Add finding out that some members of the cast had been out of their contracts for weeks...

I'm definitely not the liar here. The liar is at ABC who told the Affiliates a lie for no apparent reason.

[Kwyjibo]

Jun 7, 2009 14:10:31 GMT -5 chip said:

Jun 7, 2009 14:06:42 GMT -5 Kwyjibo said:

I'm done with Nick. I don't trust him anymore.

Let's not condemn Nick. He's done a lot to help us. We may not have liked what he said, but it isn't his fault the information he got was bad. He was playing a game with Reaper fans and laughing behind his computer about how he got our hopes up. He worked hard to get the info we needed to try to save the show. And he deserves our thanks.

I'm not saying it's his fault. I'm just saying that there're ways to tell people stuff. If Bret was out of the deal, the least Bret should've done is telling us. That way we could've just stopped doing this and actually return to our lives.

I'm not blaming Bret or Nick or anyone else (Tyler a little), I'm just saying that if we knew ALL the information beforehand, things would've been different.

[nickc]

If you want the show to live I suggest contacting the creators and finding out what could be done. I'd pick something realistic: How to get it syndicated and/or DTV movie and ask them to help you gather troops around it.

[aktarian]

Jun 7, 2009 14:02:51 GMT -5 Blue Sunflower said:

Jun 7, 2009 13:55:44 GMT -5 aktarian said:

...the thing that stands out most is how Jenny was first very optimistic (even when SciFi slot was still in) and then few days later things went downhill and that cast and crew were told it's over. Of course the problem could be Jenny and her tweets that either gave deliberatly wrong info (for some reason I can't quite understand), misinterpreted things, were given false info from creators or Jenny is not real Jenny Wade at all.

I am aware of this issue, among many others. The *one* thing I can tell you is that I am positive @jenny_wade *is* Jenny Wade. @mperegrym has twittered her, and @mperegrym is beyond a doubt Missy Peregrym. She was given that account on air by Attack of the Shows.

I am still unsure about @bretharrison, despite @jenny_wade calling the account fake. One, @bretharrison's twitters are...well let's just say they can be corrolated to Tyler's info (no I'm not suggesting Tyler's the bretharrison twitter account, just that certain things back each other up), and second, Bret IMO seems not to be too close with the rest of the class. It's possible he may not have Jenny's cell number, let alone her twitter account.

So in the end, the ONLY reliable cast info we can get so far is either from @jenny_wade, @mperegrym, or Tyler's Facebook. So Jenny's twitters on Tuesday and Tyler's Facebook entry the week before that are what we have. And yes, they *are* very contradictory - since Tyler says he and Bret gave up on the 26th, and Jenny got the excited news about *something* on June 2nd.

OK then, Jenny on twiter is the real deal. Doesn't mean she wasn't lied to (the positive news) or that she got the whole picture

Jun 7, 2009 14:02:51 GMT -5 Blue Sunflower said:

Now, that's not to say that Jenny's news didn't devolve into a nightmare later. My point, however, is that it was initially packaged as GOOD news.

I know, and that is what made me so angry. Because things looked so good for a couple of days but then situation got worse and worse.

[cko]

Great advice, Nick, and what I've been thinking. I've been all for contacting Tara and seeing what they might new as part of their new deal.

I'll say again here what I said on Nick's blog. People, please, let's not fight about this or resort to being pissed off with each other. I'm gonna set up a rant thread for us, because that's healthy and I have plenty of rant in me, but that's not what this should be for.

[Kwyjibo]

I'm still calling some people, the lack of DVD's outside the U.S. and Canada is just unforgivable and it could've made a difference in this situation.

[nickc]

Lets also look at what might have happened:

ABC person lies to some Affiliates for no reason what so ever about the show going to cable. We know this happened.

Someone gets an email from an Affiliate it's posted here. Cast & Crew all read this site, and check it out. They all read it's being sold to Cable. They get excited. They ask someone. Multiples of them ask me. They're all hearing it. However one says "SCI-FI."

Bam. There is your rumor. It's like playing the old game "grapevine," where you start on one end of a row of people and give them a sentence and by the end of the "grapevine," it's something entirely different.

Jenny got her info from twitters of people reading this site, me, and I assume others. The crew member who broke the news on my site while I was out of town also may have received their "good news," from the same source. Perhaps at one point talks were with SCI-FI, so the producer in question hears that some cast & crew are hearing cable picked it up, so they assume "it must be SCI-FI."

It makes sense. The internet and rumors can spread fast. Especially in this industry. It all goes back to the liar at ABC however. That was most definitely not me.

[Blue Sunflower]

Jun 7, 2009 14:10:31 GMT -5 chip said:

Jun 7, 2009 14:06:42 GMT -5 Kwyjibo said:

I'm done with Nick. I don't trust him anymore.

Let's not condemn Nick. He's done a lot to help us. We may not have liked what he said, but it isn't his fault the information he got wasn't what we wanted to hear.

Nick has helped a lot. He deserves our thanks.

Having said that, I will point out to anyone reading that it *is* okay to feel angry. If you have posted angry statements here or other places, THAT IS OKAY. There are a GREAT many things to rant about. Particularly when you FIRST get news that quite frankly, feels like a slap in the face. It's human nature to respond, and it's ALSO human nature that when faced with such news your response is immediately NEGATIVE.

It is NOT absurd to feel anger about what has happened, or *how* it has happened. Honestly, there are so many holes in what everyone is saying - including Nick's, kwyjibo - that we can most likely be picking them apart for years to come.

BUT - everyone (and I mean everyone) needs to realize there is a VAST difference between PERSONAL feelings, and what we are ACTUALLY doing.

So yes, I am pissed. I may even write a bit in a pissy way. But I have done NOTHING but advocate politeness in ALL our dealings - with the exception of "spamming" a computer-generated comment page, that is - until I calmed down and realized how counter-productive it is. You may even check back a page or two where I apologized, and went back to advocating politeness.

Please people remember - this is the equivalent of your boss giving you a sucky assignment, which you take with a grin on your face while you are in front of him, but which you go home at night to bitch about to your spouse. This board is our home, but has been pointed out that unfortunately - the bosses still read it.

So, in that vein, I am asking that you confine - or at least limit - your rantings to behind-the-scenes. For at least as long as we have a job to do and are the go-to board for that job. Swallow your anger and try and redirect it into something more positive. At least for now. We have a job to do, and fighting only distracts us from that.

I will try and come up with a better solution, because I *do* realize the need for people to be able to vent, and vent freely.

[nickc]

cko, go after Tara and get a plan. Right now I'm told everything is dead, but that doesn't mean you can't get someone at Mark Gordon interested in finishing the story by DTV or syndication next year. I've seen SONS OF TUCSON and I don't think it will be around after next Spring. I don't think it will last 3 episodes like SIT DOWN SHUT UP did.

Think small like DTV and you might be able to make something happen.

[Blue Sunflower]

Jun 7, 2009 14:32:50 GMT -5 nickc said:

cko, go after Tara and get a plan. Right now I'm told everything is dead, but that doesn't mean you can't get someone at Mark Gordon interested in finishing the story by DTV or syndication next year. I've seen SONS OF TUCSON and I don't think it will be around after next Spring. I don't think it will last 3 episodes like SIT DOWN SHUT UP did.

Think small like DTV and you might be able to make something happen.

Okay, this is starting to turn into a dichotomous key.

I actually am starting to form in my brain a way to get this all organized, but it will take a bit to put it all together in a coherent form. What I really still need is INFORMATION - such as who to contact and HOW to contact them.

If people can start gathering that intel up, please, that would be a big help. Try and be as complete with your information as you can. No fish is too small to fry here - if you want to add someone (like Black and Smith), please do so. I can organize it, and in the end while people may choose not to contact them, at least people will have the informed information to make that decision. If we leave someone off, no one will ever know if they could have been a lynchpin or not. Our campaign has done nothing but suffer due to this fact.

[nickc]

Blue Sunflower, Tara should have a better idea than anyone on what Producer to approach that would want to make it happen. That is the person you need to work with.

[Blue Sunflower]

Jun 7, 2009 14:48:00 GMT -5 nickc said:

Blue Sunflower, Tara should have a better idea than anyone on what Producer to approach that would want to make it happen. That is the person you need to work with.

Okay, so adding Tara to the list.

Now...that creates a quandry for me. Cko, or anyone else for that matter, can you find a PROFESSIONAL way to contact her? Does she have any information out there that has been put on a website for ALL to see?

And don't forget this is a *list* people! Let's not make the same mistakes as before. Like I said, I have an idea rattling around my head on how to organize it, so don't worry about the "overwhelming" feeling y'all might have right now. Just gather intel. Writing and contacting are still a stage or two away.

[cko]

Okay, okay, again I'm in, but first, one question: What the Hell is a "dichotomous key"?

[chip]

I'm in for another round of this too. Fortune favors the bold, eh?

cko, a dichotomous key is a key for the identification of organisms based on a series of choices between alternative characters ...or something like that. Maybe Blue Sunflower can explain it better.

[Blue Sunflower]

It's a simple tool to organize information. There are many ways to do them. Websites are actually pretty much nothing more than a dichotomous key. In this case, I'm contemplating a Wiki-type system.

[Blue Sunflower]

Jun 7, 2009 14:58:25 GMT -5 chip said:

I'm in for another round of this too. Fortune favors the bold, eh?

According to my fortune cookie last night, yes.

[Kwyjibo]

Tara Butters contributed money to Obama's campaign in 2004 and 2008. According to some website, her mailing address is:

6345 Balboa Blvd
bldg 4 ste 375
Encino, California, 91316

[Blue Sunflower]

Jun 7, 2009 15:05:46 GMT -5 Kwyjibo said:

Tara Butters contributed money to Obama's campaign in 2004 and 2008. According to some website, her mailing address is:

6345 Balboa Blvd
bldg 4 ste 375
Encino, California, 91316

Ok, I'll add it, unless I hear otherwise. It doesn't look like a home address. Can you link the website? Can anyone find an email or twitter way of contacting her?

[Kwyjibo]

It's on Google's cache:

74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:jjhDEmvGoB8J:www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/tara-butters.asp%3Fcycle%3D08+Tara+Butters&cd=29&hl=en&ct=clnk

[Blue Sunflower]

Also - don't forget ideas on the DVDs. They come out on the 9th and may be our last best shot at getting a significant Reaper fandom base to help out.

[cko]

And to think I thought that was a question without an answer. I shoulda known better with a girl like Blue Sunflower. You too, chip. I mean guy like you. (Hey, it's a SONG.)

When I sent the petitions to Mark Gordon Co, Fazekas & Butters, and the cast, I used their company and/or management addresses from imdb Pro, which I assume is all public contact information. We think that was what Tara responded to, don't we? When she came here? I'll post it here, unless anyone thinks we shouldn't it. After all, anyone can get it at Imdb.

Tara Butters
International Creative Management (ICM)
Legal Representative
10250 Constellation Blvd. 7th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90067 USA
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
www.icmtalent.com/

Gendler & Kelly Michael Gendler Legal Representative
450 N. Roxbury Dr. Ste. 1000
Beverly Hills, CA 90210 USA
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
www.gendler-kelly.com/
[e-mail]

Michele Fazekas:
International Creative Management (ICM)
Chris Von Goetz Talent Agent
10250 Constellation Blvd. 7th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90067 USA
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
www.icmtalent.com/

Elliot Webb Talent Agent 10250 Constellation Blvd.
(same company)
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
www.icmtalent.com/

Gendler & Kelly Michael Gendler Legal Representative
450 N. Roxbury Dr. Ste. 1000
Beverly Hills, CA 90210 USA
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
www.gendler-kelly.com/
[e-mail]

The Mark Gordon Company
12200 W Olympic Blvd Ste 250
Los Angeles, CA 90064 USA
Phn: 310-943-6401
Fax: [phone]