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Post by reallymzungu on Jun 6, 2009 23:55:25 GMT -5
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 0:24:07 GMT -5
Crap, well now according to Nick C. it's deader than a doornail. Apparently, if it ever even was going to come back, all of the cast would have been different.
No details. Just dead, dead, dead.
It seems they toyed with a Labine-less, and Harrison-less REAPER with Ray Wise and a new actor playing “Sam,” but they decided to not go through with it.Oh, what the Hell now? Is Bret really that stupid to give up a secure job for nothingness? Honestly, pray tell me what better option *he’s* looking at. Screw it. I’m still keeping up the Pro-Reaper stuff with ABC. It’s not like Bret has anything else to do right now that they couldn’t entice him back. One would think the lure of oh say, a salary, would be more of an incentive than oh say, no salary. We’re doing twitter in addition to email now, including DisneyABC. If that’s really bretharrison’s twitter, I say go after him. I'm tempted to have pacejunkie post his personal email address. www.krakoom.com/contact-us/questionsforbret@krakoom.com And this doesn’t even mention, ABC could have had the syndicated/cable deal in the bag LONG before Bret and Tyler lost their minds and opted out. Okay, well that was my gut reaction here. I am rather ranting in the Chat thread, on all sorts of things. But in the end, let me just say: 1. I've worked hard on this campaign. Months even. So it's been a bit hard for me to understand how this all happened when ABC Studios could have had this deal in the bag long before any of this "drama" happened. 2. I honestly don't really think I'm totally ready to give up. And by "give up" I mean...just completely give up. Do absolutely nothing else and let the show - and more importantly - the idea die. My reason why? Things don't make sense. And this newest tidbit? Not helping. How does Bret not know that ABC Studios and the fans have worked to get him steady employment for at least another year? How does he not know the opportunity even looks GOOD. Why on Earth would he choose unemployment over that? I *get* the argument that the CW didn't support them. But for Pete's sake - ABC Studios, the CW affiliates, and US have. We've moved on from the CW's ineptitude. Anyways, long story short, there *still* is no official word, and Bret doesn't exactly have anything lined up to replace Reaper. It kills me nothing to keep writing ABC to encourage them to do the show, and re-sign Bret. It also kills me nothing to encourage Bret to re-sign with the show if it's offered to him. Maybe in a week I will feel differently. But to me, right at this EXACT moment, it just feels like the window is *still* open, and I'm just not at a point where I can full-on brake stop. I find it ironic that today of all days, my fortune cookie said "If you stay your course, you will be successful." I'd like to at least give it a little while longer to determine whether it's lying to me.  The decision to determine that this is "over" is not really for me to decide. It's up to each of you to figure that out for yourselves. If you want to stop, stop. If you don't, don't. If you don't want to stop *now* then maybe work with us for a week and *then* make the decision to stop. If anyone is with me, then please waste some time of your life and write/twitter/whatever Bret and ABC. Thank you. And if you want to give up, I still recommend commenting at ABC and at least registering your disappointment - politely though. |
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Post by cko on Jun 7, 2009 0:41:26 GMT -5
You're right, blue, still nothing official, and we still have the energy to at least demand answers and attention if nothing else.
But as we wait for more details from Nick C, which he did tweet he'd expand on his post tomorrow, I just have to say, if they were thinking of re-purposing the skeleton of the show with Ray Wise and a new Sam? Yeah, I'll be glad if we don't Save Reaper. I love Ray, but that just wouldn't be worth it.
So my plan is to:
1) See what more Nick has to tell tomorrow.
2) Write one more round of emails like you said, blue, to ABC and somehow to Bret. (Oh, let me check imdb for his agent's info.)
3) Start working on the PARTY to celebrate our awesome fandom even though we did get hosed by the Powers That BE concerned with the show, or at least that's how I feel right now.
4) Try to get Tara, or Jenny, or someone back here to reflect on the show for us.
5) Find the next thing to follow, and hopefully it'll be something that fits with this awesome Board, because I don't want to give it up!
That's me, tonight anyway.
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Post by cko on Jun 7, 2009 1:10:01 GMT -5
Okay, blue, I'm in for a week. Party on hold for now. I mean, people can go ahead and party, but our fandom party is on hold. Bret's agent: Josh Katz, United Talent Agency 9560 Wilshire Blvd. Ste. 500 Beverly Hills, CA 90212-2401 USA Phn: 310-273-6700 Fax: 310-247-1111 www.unitedtalent.cominfo@unitedtalent.com Manager: Peter Kiernan, Manager Management 360 9111 Wilshire Blvd. Beverly Hills, CA 90210 USA Phone: 310-272-7000 Fax: 310-272-0084 |
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Post by taiyouinc on Jun 7, 2009 1:16:30 GMT -5
I've been following this board for a while, and must say that I'm, like everyone, extremely disappointed with the way the Big Guys over at the television companies handle series like Reaper.
But I was thinking; if the cancellation is true, but the fans continue to push, couldn't there be like a Firefly-Serenity thing happening? You know; an end to a cancelled series, in the form of a movie. Serenity was a popular movie, even for those who didn't see the show, so maybe, if some of the people with the wallets start to notice the possible market for a continued Reaper story, wouldn't that be a great alternative for everyone?
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 1:21:30 GMT -5
I've been following this board for a while, and must say that I'm, like everyone, extremely disappointed with the way the Big Guys over at the television companies handle series like Reaper. But I was thinking; if the cancellation is true, but the fans continue to push, couldn't there be like a Firefly-Serenity thing happening? You know; an end to a cancelled series, in the form of a movie. Serenity was a popular movie, even for those who didn't see the show, so maybe, if some of the people with the wallets start to notice the possible market for a continued Reaper story, wouldn't that be a great alternative for everyone? If we can continue to keep the fandom up, then we can continue to show to ABC they can monetize us in unusual ways. </tm cko>. While I am *still* aiming (and pushing) for series, series, series, ABC Studios is not without imagination on how best they can take our money. BTW, welcome taiyouinc! |
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Post by atromiti on Jun 7, 2009 1:31:43 GMT -5
taiyouinc, I was thinking about Firefly too. The bad news is, Serenity was a box office failure. The good news is, at least we got a movie. I believe Serenity got made due to the success of the DVD box set, after the show was canceled. If Reaper really is dead, we can do something similar. I seem to remember there was some sort of Firefly meme where hundreds of fans bought new copies of the box set to give to friends as gifts and they synchronized it so that Firefly briefly jumped to #2 Amazon.com's sales ranks. We could try that. And someone else made a good point about Kevin Smith and his possible involvement in a hypothetical Reaper movie. So there are possibilities.
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Post by Kwyjibo on Jun 7, 2009 1:35:01 GMT -5
Hey, I have an idea. All of us should actually take the phone and call all the people listed here so they get to actually listen to our voices. I think e-mail and snail mail are worthless right now, so we should all make a little effort and call all of 'em.
For the record, I live in another country and I'm willing to do this, just so these "network executives" and "agents" get to hear my previously unheard voice since I'm really sick and tired that they get away with crap like this and we international viewers aren't even taken into account most of the time. We can't even get the DVD sets around here! Come on! That's a lost money-making opportunity for Christ's sake!
So, for once, please, take that phone and talk to these people. It won't cost you more than it'll cost me, and believe me, international calls are REALLY expensive here!
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 1:54:07 GMT -5
Re: DVDs. I'm tired now of how to figure out a campaign, but on the upshot we've still got 3 days...which really means only a couple of hours if we wanna roll it out. Twitter is good - actually excellent, and of course we can do the boards, and maybe youtube if I haven't been *completely* banned there yet. Any ideas on what we could do? I mean, it's not Xmas. Could we still do that? Would we want to focus on Father's Day gifts? Do we wanna do a store thing like the Chuck fans did with Subway? And how can international fans help? They don't get the DVDs, so how can we help them have a voice in this - particularly to emphasize them making a version that *can* be sold overseas? And the calls - that's a good idea. I think I'll get a phone card. Maybe we should think of a time period to call? Or stagger our times? I also know I crap out when left to actually *talk* on my own. Writing means I can edit what I say. So any ideas on maybe kinda a talking point list on what we'd like to say? I'm much better - at least starting out - when I've got a bit of a script in front of me. |
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Post by Kwyjibo on Jun 7, 2009 2:01:37 GMT -5
I think we international viewers should tell them the obvious, that they're losing a lot of money from DVD sales because they're not being sold outside the U.S. and Canada and not everybody is willing to pay extra shipping and processing fees.
We could also convince them that, giving all the effort we have put into this, and the fact that a lot of questions were left unanswered by the finale, that we should at least get a movie or another 5 episodes (a "2.5" season) to be on par with Season 1 and to give us some closure.
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Post by mmmpeanutbutter on Jun 7, 2009 2:12:54 GMT -5
Ugh. This has really bummed me out. I'd love to help out in any further campaigning. Who should I email? I'll do some calls tomorrow, as it's 2 am here...
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Post by Kwyjibo on Jun 7, 2009 2:17:28 GMT -5
Ugh. This has really bummed me out. I'd love to help out in any further campaigning. Who should I email? I'll do some calls tomorrow, as it's 2 am here... It's also 2 AM here, but you should call on weekdays and on regular business hours. It should be like 12:00 AM in California right now, to give you an idea. |
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 2:21:48 GMT -5
Ugh. This has really bummed me out. I'd love to help out in any further campaigning. Who should I email? I'll do some calls tomorrow, as it's 2 am here... Re: Emailing. I should really get on that and make a decision... Well, we need to contact Bret and ABC somehow. Before we target anyone/anything though we should probably make a decision as to *who* or *what* we should target. There *is* still the three at ABC Studios, but I am kinda maybe also thinking about trying to find someone at ABC proper. Plus, we wanna organize it so that we are heard. If I open up my email program to 800 "Reaper" emails, I'm not gonna read every single one. Which means a *new* message we send needs to be attention-grabbing. mmmmpeanutbutter - let's brainstorm for a bit tonight and tomorrow, and come up with a exact plan. So keep posting suggestions here and we will solidify them tomorrow. |
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 2:22:57 GMT -5
Ugh. This has really bummed me out. I'd love to help out in any further campaigning. Who should I email? I'll do some calls tomorrow, as it's 2 am here... It's also 2 AM here, but you should call on weekdays and on regular business hours. It should be like 12:00 AM in California right now, to give you an idea. Yeah, but it's also 12AM on a Sunday. |
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Post by cko on Jun 7, 2009 2:23:46 GMT -5
Here's the current ranking of the Season 2 DVDs at Amazon, based I assume on pre-orders: Amazon.com Sales Rank: #475 in Movies & TV (See Bestsellers in Movies & TV) Popular in these categories: (What's this?) #13 in Movies & TV > Boxed Sets > Comedy #33 in Movies & TV > Comedy > Television #71 in Movies & TV > Boxed Sets > Television And I'm not sure how this helps, but as long as I've got this free trial to IMDB Pro, Lionsgate is the distributor for the DVDs, but that may only be in the U.S. Lion's Gate Films Home Entertainment 2700 Colorado Ave. Santa Monica, CA 90404 USA Phn: 310-449-9200 Fax: 310-255-3870 www.lionsgate.com/general-inquiries@lgf.com |
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Post by Kwyjibo on Jun 7, 2009 2:24:57 GMT -5
It's also 2 AM here, but you should call on weekdays and on regular business hours. It should be like 12:00 AM in California right now, to give you an idea. Yeah, but it's also 12AM on a Sunday. Yeah, that's why I said: "weekdays" and by that I meant "from Monday to Friday"... hehehe Sorry if I was misunderstood. |
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 2:46:31 GMT -5
Okay, well in the rush of the day I had wanted to share some responses I got when I emailed some people about the news last night:
From Trevor, at TVSeriesFinale:
From Rachel, at about.com:
From Matt, at Hollywood Hills:
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Post by mmmpeanutbutter on Jun 7, 2009 4:07:42 GMT -5
Ugh. This has really bummed me out. I'd love to help out in any further campaigning. Who should I email? I'll do some calls tomorrow, as it's 2 am here... It's also 2 AM here, but you should call on weekdays and on regular business hours. It should be like 12:00 AM in California right now, to give you an idea. Heh! I totally forgot tomorrow/today was Sunday. I need to go to sleep... |
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Post by kagari on Jun 7, 2009 9:25:17 GMT -5
;( Well... horrible news. If there was a guaranteed way to bring the show back, I'd do anything.
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Post by pacejunkie on Jun 7, 2009 10:15:56 GMT -5
I hate to be a downer, but personally I feel I would need to hear something from Bret at this point before doing anything further. Seriously, if he had announced a month ago that he had no interest in staying with the show, I would not have fought to save it. He's a deal breaker in my opinion and he can't be replaced. Sure, maybe he could be enticed, but it sounds like if he could have been it would have happened. We can't drag him kicking and screaming to this role and it's not for us to decide if he has anything better to do. It's his career at the end of the day and his choice. It is awfully telling however that through all this we've heard from Tyler and from Jenny and there have been encouraging words but Bret has been silent, and looking back I guess that spoke volumes. And it's not like he's never been involved. Last year Bret was telling us to send in socks. This year he abandoned his website completely. I'm just sorry he didn't speak up and save us all this trouble.
The best thing to do now is watch the actors and producers, see what shows they end up on and support each and every one.
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Post by cko on Jun 7, 2009 10:40:28 GMT -5
Aw, pace, it's not being a downer, it's just one part of the reality. You're right about Bret being a deal-breaker, and I totally agree that if I'd fully grasped that he was out so long ago, it would have changed things for me, too. I'd been telling people on and off all year that I thought it was weird that he was so silent all season, so inaccessible--not just around the renewal, but in general.
There's a lot that looks different looking back, in terms of seeing symptoms of whatever developing early on. I guess it's always that way. We've already been doing some of that picking apart in Chat for the past month or so. There is an element that's interesting from a "The TV Business" perspective.
But anyway, I'm still in for posting and writing and keeping watch on the news for this coming week, just to set a timeframe. And I'm still up for having a PARTY to celebrate the show and ourselves, because this whole thing has been amazing.
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Post by lwokszonew on Jun 7, 2009 10:59:17 GMT -5
An idea. Has anyone thought about trying to contact Kevin Smith, who directed the pilot episode? Not sure if he cares about Reaper at this point, but he had a role in obviously getting the pilot directed and may still be a fan of it. I *think* these are his official site and twitter pages. I guess it couldn't hurt to try, at this point that's all that is left. twitter.com/ThatKevinSmithwww.viewaskew.com |
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 13:13:22 GMT -5
We can't drag him kicking and screaming to this role and it's not for us to decide if he has anything better to do. No, it's not, and no one is advocating this. I am wondering at this point if Bret is even aware of the fan support, all that has happened to get a season three, and how very likely it would be that there *would* be a season three if he was still in. Considering how Tyler's "syndication" statements completely contradict what EVERYONE else is saying - has ANYONE even sat down (that's NOT Tyler), and explained anything to him? It very much seems to me he's throwing away a secure job - and secure jobs for his other cast and crew members - based on...well either something that's not true, or something that's been spinned so negatively even *I* wouldn't want it. It almost sounds to me like he is not really that close to his castmates - except possibly Tyler - or his and Reaper's fanbase. My thought today was maybe asking Jenny, Missy, or even Ray to call him and see what the *actual* deal is, and if he's unaware of the background work that's gone into to saving this show - and how much support there REALLY is for it and him - maybe he'll change his mind. At the very least, I would at least ask him to peruse this board, especially our Ideas and News threads before he makes a FINAL final decision. I am also thinking contacting his agent is mucho importante. I agree that I wish we'd had this information sooner, and from Bret himself. We could have smothered him with fan love. We can *still* smother him with fan love. |
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Post by atromiti on Jun 7, 2009 13:16:07 GMT -5
Guys, I really think our number one priority right now should be figuring out what *happened*. If we don't know where it all went wrong, we won't know how to fix it - or if it's even in our power to do so. pace is absolutely right that we can't force Bret Harrison to stay in a role he's lost interest in, and if that's the reason the deal fell through, we just have to accept it. However, it seems very odd to me that he would want to get away from a starring role with nothing else lined up to take its place, so maybe we're jumping to conclusions. I think we should focus our efforts on contacting anyone who might be able to explain what happened in the weeks leading to this. Then we can decide if, and how, we're going to fight it.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 13:20:24 GMT -5
Guys, I really think our number one priority right now should be figuring out what *happened*. If we don't know where it all went wrong, we won't know how to fix it - or if it's even in our power to do so. pace is absolutely right that we can't force Bret Harrison to stay in a role he's lost interest in, and if that's the reason the deal fell through, we just have to accept it. However, it seems very odd to me that he would want to get away from a starring role with nothing else lined up to take its place, so maybe we're jumping to conclusions. I think we should focus our efforts on contacting anyone who might be able to explain what happened in the weeks leading to this. Then we can decide if, and how, we're going to fight it. Here are my thoughts as to what the problem seems to be: 1. The CW affiliates want the show. 2. ABC Studios wants to do the show, but not without Bret. 3. Bret has opted out of the show. As to #3, we have conflicting stories, but remember - nothing from Bret himself. The one story I *will* mention is Nick's throwaway that Bret left "not because he wanted to, but because his agent wanted to keep him employed." |
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Post by atromiti on Jun 7, 2009 13:23:37 GMT -5
*nods* Me too, but right now it's just a theory, and I really want some official confirmation before I do anything else. I know official confirmation is hard to get with these folks, but I'm going to try.
EDIT: Um, another thing. Do we even know how accurate Nick C.'s information is? I'm not accusing him of being a phony or anything - I really, really appreciate everything he's doing for us - but the constant contradicting information is giving me whiplash and making me wonder if his sources aren't as reliable as we'd like. I think we should take anything he prints with a grain of salt. Again, not trying to insult Nick. Just the way the biz is.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 13:25:31 GMT -5
I am thinking at this point maybe our strategy should be to:
1. Support ABC and ABC Studios not to give up Reaper, and to re-offer a contract to Bret. Most important - to do it SOON.
2. Support Bret (and actually, at this point probably all of the cast, and maybe even some of the crew) and encourage him/them to re-sign with the show if offered.
3. Support the CW affiliates (and/or cable) so that if successful with 1 & 2, then if/when ABC gives them a contract for the show, they will sign it immediately.
...and oh yeah, do something about DVD sales.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 13:31:51 GMT -5
EDIT: Um, another thing. Do we even know how reliable Nick C.'s information is? I'm not accusing him of being a phony or anything - I really, really appreciate everything he's doing for us - but the constant contradicting information is giving me whiplash and making me wonder if his sources aren't as accurate as we'd like. I think we should take anything he prints with a grain of salt. Again, not trying to insult Nick. Just the way the biz is. My opinion is this: Since the beginning, Nick has given us nothing but excellent advice. So whether his information is right or wrong, I still think we should encompass it into our strategy, just in case. |
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Post by Joe on Jun 7, 2009 13:35:22 GMT -5
I'm unsure about whom I should focus my emails on because we basicually went back to "email everyone". Is Nick C. going to give us a better explanation about what happened at some point or is "Reaper's dead" all we're getting?
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Jun 7, 2009 13:39:10 GMT -5
I'm unsure about whom I should focus my emails on because we basicually went back to "email everyone". Oh, Joe! Give us more than a minute to figure it out. You are watching organization in progress, my friend. D: |
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