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Post by cko on Sept 23, 2008 23:49:09 GMT -5
pace (or anybody), any ideas about this petition language? (draft this far courtesy of blue and novium):
This petition is to request the removal of Jacob - aka TWOP Bayliss - as moderator for the Television Without Pity forums. As avid supporters of Television Without Pity, we are dismayed by the apparently capricious and vengeful actions of this moderator, whom many of us had admired and enjoyed for his love of television, fine writing, and insightful recaps.
These actions include: (banning without warning, rude language, banning posters who make appeals or support other posters, etc)
the capricious and seemingly vindictive bans of members otherwise in good standing, banning members as the first resort for mild or imagined offenses, vituperative responses to innocuous questions, and tendentious censorship.
This has resulted in: (ill feeling, people leaving TwoP)
(Something about how we've been good users and customers of TWoP and want to see it survive and thrive, but it won't at this rate.)
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Post by cko on Sept 26, 2008 19:18:59 GMT -5
Blue and anyone else, got some great thoughts from loandbehold on this that I'll post later tonite. I'll be back around at 8-9ish my time. Maybe we can talk then b/c I'd love to finalize this petition language by the weekend.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Sept 26, 2008 21:06:50 GMT -5
Blue and anyone else, got some great thoughts from loandbehold on this that I'll post later tonite. I'll be back around at 8-9ish my time. Maybe we can talk then b/c I'd love to finalize this petition language by the weekend. Yeah, I probably won't be around. Tonight's movie night, and finishing the quilt. Post 'em though, I'd love to hear them. |
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Post by cko on Sept 27, 2008 1:00:41 GMT -5
Excellent input from loandbehold about the petition...
Helps our focus, I think. I'll work more on it this weekend; all input still welcome of course, especially about whether we still want to:
1) emphasize removal of bayliss, or
2) focus on the unfairness of the murky warnings and don't-ask-for-explanation banning.
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Post by novium on Sept 27, 2008 12:29:24 GMT -5
I'd focus on the second. I'd also remove the word 'vengeful' as i think it carries the wrong connotations. There's a bias, that's the problem. I don't think he's out for revenge or anything like that.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Oct 2, 2008 2:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Oct 8, 2008 3:14:06 GMT -5
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Oct 9, 2008 0:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Oct 17, 2008 13:41:42 GMT -5
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Post by cko on Oct 19, 2008 1:50:32 GMT -5
Petition 1:
This petition is to request the removal of TWoP Bayliss as moderator for the Television Without Pity forums. As avid supporters of Television Without Pity, we are dismayed by the actions of this moderator, whom many of us had admired and enjoyed for his love of television, fine writing, and insightful recaps.
These actions include: banning without warning, banning posters who make appeals or support other posters, banning members as the first resort for mild or imagined offenses, and vituperative responses to innocuous questions.
This has resulted in posters feeling nervous about saying the wrong thing; people being warned without being clear on the reasons, and afraid to ask; and people leaving TwoP due to the inconsistencies of moderator actions.
We have been loyal members and customers of TwoP, and want to see it thrive, but are very concerned that the site won't survive under these conditions.
Petition II:
This petition is to protest the actions of moderators at Television Without Pity with regard to the policies for warns and bans. It has been the experience of many posters that:
-We are subject to warnings without clear explanations.
-The terms of the warnings are unclear.
-When we ask for clarification, this can be seen as challenging or argumentative, and can lead to further warnings or outright bans.
-Posters who question actions against, or come to the defense of, fellow posters, are themselves subject to warns or bans.
If the people being warned can't understand why they're being warned for a particular post, and then get banned if they ask in a respectful way for a clarification, then the warnings lose their meaning.
We would like to request the following:
-More clarification on the nature of warns and bans.
-An opportunity and a process to inquire for more information about specific warns and bans.
-An arbiter at TwoP with whom posters can lodge appeals.
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Post by loandbehold on Oct 19, 2008 12:49:32 GMT -5
If we're voting on which petition, my vote would be for Petition II.
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Post by cko on Oct 19, 2008 18:24:18 GMT -5
Thanks, loandbehold. Not sure at this point whether we're choosing or doing both...but your words were really helpful, as you can see. Meahwhile, everyone, all edits and suggestions welcome!
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Nov 29, 2008 23:55:42 GMT -5
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