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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 4, 2009 12:37:25 GMT -5
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Post by wdpender on Mar 4, 2009 13:29:53 GMT -5
Looks like the only hope we have is that if we lose zero viewers from this start. This rating was almost identical to the Cancun episode. Also, this rating was almost exactly Reaper's average audience from last season. While that was usually good enough for fifth or sixth out 13 or 14 shows on the CW, this year that would place us about 7th on the network in a normal week. The demo nember of 0.9 looks about the same as last year also. That 0.9 usually meant about 1.2 million viewers last year. That would put Reaper above the CW Network avearge of 1.030 million (per TV By the Numbers). That site has indicated that shows above the network average usually get renewed. By since we don't fit the CW demographic, I don't think that will help. I still think our best hope is Sunday (or Friday) night. These numbers seem to indiacte that 2 million of us will follow the show wherever they place it. I would think 2 million on Sunday would make the CW happy, at least for a year or two.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 4, 2009 13:47:15 GMT -5
I know usually networks really want live numbers for advertising purposes, but I’d really be interested to know Reaper’s numbers after time-shifting is added in. Last year Reaper always ranked at the top, I wouldn’t be surprised if these numbers jump substantially too when the final final numbers come out. Especially now that it’s up against AI. Apparently, we also lost 100,000 at the half hour. Big surprise, considering that the second half of American Idol is what everyone wants to watch. Only not. However, Robert Seidman (at the above TV By the Numbers site) has a hard on determined to spin the numbers as BAD BAD BAD (as well as some weird thing that ALL the reviews for the premiere were BAD and the good ones were only written by fanboys and therefore should be discounted), while everyone else is all "Whuh? It's pretty much the same as last year, how is that bad?" I mean, for pete's sake, it's been 10 months. For a show to only lose 200,000 in that time is fairly astounding IMO. BTW - I put all the S1 and so far S2 numbers in this post if you want to compare. |
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Post by pacejunkie on Mar 4, 2009 14:41:41 GMT -5
Considering the numbers are the same as last season, I don't consider that too bad. I was afraid we'd lose more (and to gain in season two was being overly optimistic). We got a renewal with those numbers last year and even if we place 7th of CW shows now, six shows were renewed so Reaper could maybe be the seventh? It certainly on the bubble still, but it gives us the same fighting chance we had before. All the same, I'd feel better if we were consistently hitting 2.5 million.
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Post by pending on Mar 4, 2009 14:43:22 GMT -5
Additionally, I hear (I think the comments over at CliqueClack or something similar) that the premier was pre-empted for sports in some areas, so that's actually better than I would have assumed.
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Post by randomnation on Mar 4, 2009 18:43:51 GMT -5
Finals! We dropped a tad.  And, can I just say that my prediction was NOwhere near the actual result. Since the show was getting promoted during a bunch of repeats, I think that also hurt us(in addition to the 10 month hiatus), so once the rest of the cw's lineup returns, I think we'll see increases. At least I hope. Reaper - 2.306 million viewers - 1.5/2 HH - 0.9/2 A18-49 - 0.8/2 A18-34 |
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 5, 2009 0:54:16 GMT -5
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Post by pacejunkie on Mar 5, 2009 7:47:33 GMT -5
Nice to see E! give it a mention when it wasn't among the ratings winners. No reason to mention it but they did. They've always been a supporter of the show.
Someone in the comments said the premiere will air Saturday for those who were pre-empted by basketball. Will those ratings get added into this weeks numbers or ignored? How does that work?
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Post by pending on Mar 5, 2009 10:33:19 GMT -5
If I recall from last season, basically we just get screwed. Even if they count in the people that watched in the pre-empted zones, it's always a fraction of those that would've. The ratings take a hit and the time-shifted numbers go up a little bit.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 5, 2009 15:06:28 GMT -5
Axiom puts Reaper on the Cancellation Index. IIRC, they called it "unlikely" for a pick up last year too. And wow, Robert Seidman at TVByTheNumbers really can't handle criticism. He used last night's ANTM numbers to take a potshot at all the "Reaper fans" (read: the multitudes of people who disagreed with him about his interpretation about Reaper's numbers, whether they were Reaper fans or not). ANTM gets a 3.4 in the demo against AI, and he's all "Well THAT should put it in perspective for all you Reaper fans!" What an idiot.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 7, 2009 2:48:45 GMT -5
If I'm reading this right, Season Two of Reaper will premiere in Germany on April 6th. Unfortunately, I think it's also saying that it will be on a pay station, instead of the free one Season One aired on. I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong. My deutsch is extremely rusty. ETA: Also, Comedy Central responded to an email by evilalex, and said Reaper will premiere in The Netherlands in June, although no specific date was given. |
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Post by pacejunkie on Mar 7, 2009 17:36:50 GMT -5
I got the gist of it, but my German is rusty too. So via an online translator (and cleaned up a bit by me to make more sense):
Three days ago was the start in the USA for the 2nd season of Reaper and already there is also a broadcasting appointment for Germany. On 06.04.2009 the PayTV transmitter shows the 2nd season in German. This is only 5 weeks after the USA start, but with it the good news already stops.
Only paying customers of the premiere come to the pleasure of the 2nd season, while the 1st season of Reaper has not even run on Free TV. The rights in Free TV lie, by the way, with ProSieben and after the standard disaster of last month one should not hope that this series will run so fast on Free TV.
Not sure what disaster it refers to.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 10, 2009 12:57:55 GMT -5
Kill me now: Maybe non-AI people will watch Reaper instead of flocking to cable? Yeah...I didn't think so either. 
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Post by randomnation on Mar 11, 2009 0:40:17 GMT -5
Uuuugh!!! I hate American Idol! And you all said Tuesday's would be nice. I think I'd still take Fridays over this. Less pressure on that night.
In any event...I'm hoping the show at the least, maintains all of its audience from last week. *prays to...God?*
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 11, 2009 0:54:31 GMT -5
The TVByTheNumbers guy is still an asshole. I poked the beehive. However, USAToday: I'm not registered, so I can't post WTF? on their article. |
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Post by wdpender on Mar 11, 2009 9:25:24 GMT -5
Check out what our "buddies" at TV by the Numbers are saying: tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/10/reapers-a-keeper-if-it-can-hold-its-premiere-audience/14281. I had a feeling that the rating in the demo would be better than their magic 1.00. The 1.09 is actually better than last season (1.06), if I remember correctly. But I'm very concerned that the CW-ising of the show (Sock & step-sister plot) may drive some real fans away. And I can't see them being replaced by the magic 18-34 female demo, unless the promote the heck out of those scenes on the 18-34 shows on the network. If that's what it takes to get a third season, then I'll put up with only 25-30 minutes of real story content each week, because some Reaper is better than no Reaper at all. |
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 11, 2009 13:00:47 GMT -5
MediaLife: Interesting quote from E!: I know I've said this before, but WTF? I'd like to see the numbers.
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Post by randomnation on Mar 11, 2009 13:02:26 GMT -5
Half hour breakdowns:
Reaper
8:00 p.m. V: 2.19 m, A18-49: 0.8/ 2
8:30 p.m. V: 2.16 m, A18-49: 0.8/ 2
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 11, 2009 13:07:51 GMT -5
Thank you! I couldn't find the share so far! That's pretty much what they did last week, although I'm sure Mr. Idiot at TVByTheNumbers will find some way to disagree.  (and side note: Reaper's always performed fairly steadily), so I don't quite know why E! is saying there's no sizable fanbase. Seems to me we've got a solid 2 million at least, which follows the show no matter what. A basic 85-90% of the viewership you've always had is ALSO your loyal fanbase? That doesn't seem so bad to me. Plus, the numbers seem fine when you put them in the perspective of the overall CW viewership. I can't really address their comment that "teen boys are leaving in droves" since we don't have that info. HitFix (fast nationals, total): As a reminder, last week was 1.5/2. |
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Post by randomnation on Mar 11, 2009 13:20:09 GMT -5
Tvbythenumbers reported that the show increased in the 18-34 demo, back up to a .9 at the half....their numbers are also different from Marc Berman's site too...
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Post by pacejunkie on Mar 11, 2009 13:20:36 GMT -5
After watching Dollhouse take a nosedive after it's premiere, I'm pleased.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 11, 2009 13:26:28 GMT -5
Tvbythenumbers reported that the show increased in the 18-34 demo, back up to a .9 at the half....their numbers are also different from Marc Berman's site too... That might be because TVBTN is doing the 18-34, whereas Berman is doing 18-49. |
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Post by randomnation on Mar 11, 2009 13:27:33 GMT -5
TVBTN also showed the 18-49 as well and it was a flat .8. 18-34 showed the increase.
ETA: Bill also gave us this:
Charles, Reaper is remarkably even across all the age/gender groups we see data for, and that is pretty unusual.
For the 8pm half hour last night it’s best was a 1.0 rating for females 12-17, and its worst was a 0.7 for men 18-34, but all the other breakdowns were either a 0.8 or a 0.9. Given rounding error, I’d say Reaper was evenly liked (although not extremely liked) by all.
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Post by randomnation on Mar 11, 2009 18:56:57 GMT -5
Finals! We lost nothing in the demo and only a few thousand in overall viewers! Go us!
Reaper
- 2.172 million viewers
- 1.4/2 HH
- 0.9/2 A18-49
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 12, 2009 11:41:42 GMT -5
This is a complete lie and propaganda at its worst. Morons. While Reaper's S3 status is very much up in the air, Tyler's new "job" DOES NOT mean Reaper is canceled. And the whole "cast should not be allowed to go on casting calls" is nonsense. Tyler has a history of picking pilots with no hope of a pick-up. See the "Like Cats and Dogs" link I put in the Tyler section. I have no problem with Tyler doing the pilot season while waiting for word on Reaper. Most pilots are never picked up anyways. It's the industry equivalent of temp work. Ugh. The stupid blogs need to stop their fear mongering and read this: reaperdmv.com/index.cgi?board=seasontwo&action=display&thread=195&page=1#4755
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Post by cko on Mar 12, 2009 23:45:15 GMT -5
Not sure if this helps or hurts our many battles and causes, from Axiom's Edge: |
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Post by wdpender on Mar 14, 2009 20:29:36 GMT -5
The Game drew a 2.070 million rating Friday. Not a good sign for us, since we drew only about 100,000 more than that. I'm hoping a whole bunch of people still think it is starting on March 17th. Or that they will promote it on the Monday shows heavily, since they will be back to first runs.
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Post by randomnation on Mar 17, 2009 13:24:12 GMT -5
Ooooh! Given the travesty that is known as Monday Nights on The CW, Reaper may end up pulling into 4th for the week, behind ANTM, SV, and SN in terms of total viewers and the 18-49 demo. The show just needs to add a couple hundred thousand and I'm sure it could do it!
*crosses fingers*
Net Show Viewers 18-49 18-34
CW Gossip Girl 2.24 1.1/3 1.6/5
CW One Tree Hill 2.27 1.2/3 1.7/5
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 17, 2009 13:43:59 GMT -5
I'm torn. I think on a normal run, we'd naturally go down - I was thinking 2 mill or so. But tonight's the 17th, the original date slated for the show's return. Who knows, maybe that will help us.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 18, 2009 0:34:29 GMT -5
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