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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 20, 2009 0:20:26 GMT -5
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 20, 2009 1:22:03 GMT -5
Hey, maybe that's why Sam is REALLY special. He's somehow the only one capable of persuading (and sometimes tricking) the Devil to do good. Maybe that's why the Devil keeps trying to get Sam killed but doesn't just do it himself. The Devil is conflicted, too, when it comes to Sam. Oh, I would love for that to be part of the twist. YESYESYESYESYES!!!!! I have been saying that for ages now! I totally exalted you for that, bec. The scene was there, but the shot wasn't. That's the same shirt Andi was wearing in the bar scene with Nina and the boys. |
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Post by bec on Mar 20, 2009 2:59:03 GMT -5
Sure, Pace, sign me up for recapping ep 6.
Hee, thanks, Blue! It's good to be exhalted. I think maybe that idea seeped into my head from one of your fanfics. And yeah, it did bother me at times that Sam is still so surprised when the Devil does evil things, but that is pretty consistent with Sam's character. He expects good out of everyone, even the Devil himself. It's so foolhardy yet so cute! And yes, hopefully it does come into play as a major plot point.
Kathy, what muddies up the situation is that it's not so much those demons that attack Sam are pure good or pure evil. It's just that they have good intentions but they can be misguided in what "doing good" is, exactly. Of course, this is not a problem unique to demons. Humans are often confused on this, as well, and do things they think is right and good when it really is not. And the Devil just has a grand old time playing everyone off each other using this confusion. Like by making it look like Sam is totally on the Devil's side in front of the rebel demons.
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Post by cko on Mar 20, 2009 14:36:55 GMT -5
And isn't this really the basis for the whole show? (The mytharc part, I mean, not the part about "cute slackers work for the Devil--hilarious consquences ensue.") Shades of Good v. Shades of Evil? Can you really "do bad so something good can happen'? Can you make up for having done something bad, by doing something good?
Because Sam is working for the Devil, but he's doing good by sending bad Souls back to Hell. And I don't think he's doing it any more just because his family or friends could be hurt if he doesn't. I think he's quite committed to it. Except when he tries to get out of it, of course.
Now I've confused myself.
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Post by bec on Mar 20, 2009 15:45:55 GMT -5
Basically, something good can come out of something bad, and something bad can come out of something good. This reminds me of an Chinese story about a guy who lost a horse, and everyone else is like "oh, that's so bad." but the guy thinks it's good. The horse comes back with a pack of wild horses and everyone else is like "oh, that's good." but the guy thinks it's bad. Then the guy's son breaks his leg riding one of the wild horses and everyone else is like "oh, that's bad." but the guy thinks it's good. And then a war came along and the guy's son didn't get drafted and so on and so on and so forth. Heehee.
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Post by kathyk on Mar 20, 2009 16:35:54 GMT -5
I don't the devil wants Sam dead at all. Sam is his favorite toy. He loves to find new ways to make his life difficult. On the other hand I think the Devil wants Sam's companionship athough he won't admit it. Look at how many scenes involve Sam and the Devil sharing food and drink. I think the Devil is behind the attaks on Sam in order to test him.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 20, 2009 16:51:20 GMT -5
Can you really "do bad so something good can happen'? This is an entirely different question from everything else. Two wrongs do not make a right, so the answer is in reality no. Not unless we're talking self-defense - and by that I mean, your life is in immediate danger. It is *okay* (or at least, legal) to kill someone who has a knife and is currently stabbing you. OTOH, so far Sam has been in none of these situations really (I'm not including the souls). His version of "doing bad to get good" really doesn't exist. He does good by working for bad, but he doesn't do good by doing bad. Unless, of course, we're talking about stealing Work Bench merchandise. That stuff apparently has a loop hole attached to it. I personally think it depends on what you did that was bad. I really don't think that even if they turned into the next Pope, OJ, Hitler, or Charles Manson would really get out from under their "oops I'm a bad boy" image. However, they *can* get their punishments with a clear conscience - like Red did. They can survive their ordeal, I would imagine like Sirius with the Dementors in Harry Potter. Basically, something good can come out of something bad, and something bad can come out of something good. Yeah. I kinda think that might be the theme of "I Want My Baby Back" based on the episode description. I think maybe that idea seeped into my head from one of your fanfics. You do realize I can only exalt you once every hour, right?  Word to yo motha'. |
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 22, 2009 2:14:43 GMT -5
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Post by beatrixkiddoe on Mar 22, 2009 9:20:48 GMT -5
I didn't get a chance to watch this until last night, and I really enjoyed it. I love Nina, and Ben's reaction to the fact that she cries acid totally cracked me up. I also thought that Sock's sobbing upon hearing of Les Nessman's death was hilarious. This was definitely a major improvement over the last episode.
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Post by cko on Mar 22, 2009 12:47:42 GMT -5
Aw, beatrix, the Sock sobbing reminds me that I wasn't sure if he was crying to be fake, or because he was busted, or because he was really sad at the loss of his fictional character! Maybe all three.
And...your sig line! Did you see the movie? What'd you think? I'm reading the book right now, which I know is backward, but I'm really liking it. More on that later in the book thread.
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Post by beatrixkiddoe on Mar 22, 2009 13:38:02 GMT -5
I could totally see Sock being genuinely sad at the loss of his fictional character.
I saw the movie and loved it, cko. I was a bit worried going into it, since I'm a such a fan of the book, I figured that I would end up disappointed but that was definitely not the case. I swear that I could watch the opening credits on a continuous loop.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 28, 2009 5:39:14 GMT -5
From the recap: Yeah. I had to give a pass to Not!Josie wearing her Not!Bikini in the premiere, since despite it airing in March, they filmed it in like July. March in Seattle is definitely not bikini weather. Sam really does suck whenever he's forced to lie. I like how he handles it: like everyone else and simply sidesteps the issue. Ha! HAHAHA! <Blue wipes tears from her eyes and gets serious> Uh, this is Sam we're talking about, so no. I love how the trio pretty much always wins because they're able to think outside the box. Nice catch. They really should have more Wizards and Warcraft and Guitar Hero ads. I love how Sam didn't notice this either. I got the impression it was that moment that Red realized Sam really has no choice. I was a bit surprised Sam didn't remind him of his Big Loss, but now that I'm thinking about it, maybe that was the smartest move there. Nice job.
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Post by Blue Sunflower on Mar 29, 2009 23:20:15 GMT -5
Sure, Pace, sign me up for recapping ep 6. Hey, bec! Just wanted to make sure you wanted to sign up for "The Underbelly" airing April 7th. It's so cool people want to do this! |
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